interview with mr. messinger
Jonathan Messinger writes books, reviews books, and makes
books.
The above picture isn't an actual representation of Mr. Messinger.
Everyday
Yeah: First, where do you get the time?
Jonathan Messinger:I don't sleep
much. Or I do, but in isolated, long stretches, as if I were in a space pod.
EDY: Second, let me commend you on your book Hiding Out;
it is the perfect size. It fits in the back pocket of my jeans.
JM: Thanks. Really, that's the best
thing that can be said about it.
EDY: If you don't mind me asking, how is the engagement going?
(Also, congratulations) How do you think your stories will change now that
you're set to be married?
JM: Oh, thanks very much. Yeah, it's
going well, we're ironing out the details, etc. It's an interesting experience,
getting engaged. When she said yes, it was like a switch went off in my brain,
and I suddenly have such a huge desire to stop being such a self-centered
bastard. For instance, I haven't been to a doctor in, probably, five years or
more, and now I'm saying to myself, "OK, your life is now, officially,
undeniably, larger than yourself, and not in a vague, once-a-year-donation-to-NPR
kind of way."
So everything that happens in my life changes the way I write, or what I write
about. I'm hesitant to say that I have a "deeper" understanding of
relationships now, but I definitely have a better sense of the stakes.
EDY: Your stories all seem to end in a kind of disheartened,
unfulfilled sentiment where the characters never get what they want.
Where does that come from? Is it from your own personal feelings?
One thing I thought was interesting is that the story, "One Valve
Opens" was the one narrative that didn't have that emotion and the
character was probably the furthest removed from your own character.
JM: Disheartened?! Nah. I like to
think that even if they're disheartened, by the end of the stories they've
accepted some truth, or gained a fuller perspective of their predicaments, that
even if they're down, they're now in a better position to go about their lives.
Except for the guy about to be eaten by a wolf.
Good point about "One Valve Opens." This is an interesting question,
about which characters are closest to me, and which ones are more distanced. In
a lot of ways, it's easy to say Julius is because he's black and dealing with
stuff I never had to deal with. But I think his mentality, his issues and his
lazy problem solving skills are actually pretty similar to mine.
[note: After re-reading a handful of Mr. Messinger's stories I realize 'Disheartened' is the wrong word]
EDY: It's
been said that you once had a dream about a cat fighting a dolphin, can you
elaborate on this conflict?
JM: Oh man. That cat was scary. So
was the dolphin, but the cat was hideous. That's all I want to say about
that.
EDY: If you're
wondering, coincidentally or not I just woke up from a nap where I had a dream
that I was driving a limousine. I never thought they were that tough to
drive. I definitely have more respect for limousine drivers now.
JM: You should. Anyone who spends
the majority of their life behind a wheel deserves our sympathy and
respect.
EDY: How disappointed are you when you walk into a dollar store and things are priced more than a dollar? JM: Have you ever been in line for a roller coaster for an afternoon and it breaks down just before you get on?
EDY: What's the usual plan of action
when you find a hole in your sock?
JM: Stay the course.
Public
Transportation Questions (these all came to me while riding the T):
EDY: I saw a girl on the train
yesterday. She had on a red parka. The kind with fur around the
hood which makes it look like she was going to Antarctica except that she was
wearing clogs on her feet. My mother wore clogs a lot when I was
young. What memories do you have of your mother's footwear?
JM: That's none of your business.
EDY: There's this man wearing Adidas shoes sitting to my right.
The guy who just sat down next to me on the left is reading a book called
Extreme Measures. There is a heartbeat line drawn at the top of the
chapter heading. He has begun a new chapter, the first words are: "April
14th…" Anyway the guy on my right has a little face drawn
on a white spot of the left Adidas shoe. I would talk more about this but
I just realized I was wrong about the person to my left, the book reader.
Looking at a reflection of them in the window across from me (It would be very
awkward to actually turn to my left and stare at them) it seems I have mistaken
their gender. They are female. My apologies…Originally I wanted to
question you about drawings you may have made on your sneakers—band names,
author names, aliens, etc.—when you were in middle school, but the person to my
left really surprised me and I've lost my train of thought. Feel free to
talk about whatever you like: drawing on sneakers, misjudged genders, a review
of Extreme Measures… or anything else.
JM: When I Googled Extreme Measures,
the first four entries were about a Hugh Grant movie, I think, then one about
"the University of Colorado's premier mixed a cappella
group," another for Extreme Measures Sport Fishing, and then finally the
book by Michael Palmer. Which got me to thinking, how do you suppose the other
mixed a cappella groups at the University of Colorado feel about EM describing
themselves as "the premier?" I'd
like to read a book about that rivalry.
EDY: When I got off the train I went to sit in a Wendy's
restaurant. I was waiting for a friend. I didn't get anything to
eat. I don't enjoy fast food. At a perpendicular table a person said they had to go make gingerbread houses. I was tempted to run
after them and ask if they would make me a gingerbread coffin which they could
place me in and let me eat my way out. I think I could eat a whole
gingerbread coffin depending on how thin the walls were. Are you much of
an eater? Do you think you could pack away five pounds of food in an
hour?
JM: I'm a big, fast eater, habits
that I'm trying to break myself out of. Five pounds, no way. I'm vegetarian, so
five pounds of vegetables is just going to be a lot of work.
EDY: The reason I ask is because there's this pizza eating
challenge in St. Louis where two people have to eat a ten pound pizza in an
hour and if they do it they get $500. I figured you might be a logical
choice seeing that there are busses you can take from Chicago to St. Louis that
only cost a dollar (mega bus). The more I think about this (you being the
dollar guy) the more it makes sense.
JM: True, but Megabus's 1-dollar bus
ride thing is full of all sorts of loopholes and hoodwinks, I don't think it's
as easy as you'd like to believe to go from Chicago to St. Louis for $1. I
actually love St. Louis, had a blast there in September doing the Dollar Store,
playing some sort of washer-tossing game, etc. But I ate some St. Louis-style pizza from Imo's (the standard,
but by no means the best, I'm told) that was miserable, so I can tell you
firsthand that $500 to eat ten pounds of that is not worth it. Actually, $500
to destroy both your digestive system and your credibility is probably almost
never worth it.
EDY: Can I get a sports prediction for 2008?
JM: The Celtics will be in the NBA
Finals. I'm not willing to give them the championship yet, but I think they'll
win the east.
EDY: Also, I was re-reading your blog and the comments you made during
the Red Sox- Indians series. I thought your analysis of Manny Ramirez was
right on target especially considering how the season ended:
"Tomorrow
night, the Sox and Indians take it back to Fenway, and I have to say, this
series has suddenly become a classic. There's all the intrigue surrounding
Manny, which I always love. First it was the Manny arm-raise, that he
celebrated after hitting a solo shot to put his team down by four. I'm cool
with that. I do the exact same thing when Manny hits a solo shot to put his
team down by four. Then there's his quote, about the Sox potentially losing the
series: "There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the
world." As Soxaholix said, it's a healthy attitude for
athletes. Let the fans wallow in do-or-die-ism. But I think more than that,
Manny is acknowledging that the Sox are now a dynasty. They've only won one
championship, sure, but with Beckett the second coming and a healthy mix of
young and old guys, the Sox should be the team to beat for the next few years.
I like that kind of confidence."
Anyway, I'd have to say Manny—despite all the negatives—is
one of the best personalities in the game and his home run reactions give me
chills. Also, it was a treat/humorous to hear him open it up to the media
at the end of the year. Did you catch him on Leno? Look up the
video if you haven't.
JM: I wish Red Sox fans could stop
being fans for a moment and be humans and just love the fact that Manny is on
the team. Sox fans have this mania that makes them believe that if you're not
Tim Naehring, breaking your back every other game in some exhibition of loosely
defined "hustle," you shouldn't be in Boston (no disrespect to Timmy
Naehring).
I now feel bad about any negative connotations toward Naehring. Let's say Scott
Cooper, instead.
Oh, and Leno doesn't deserve to be in the same room as Manny.
This interview came to a sudden and unexpectant end. This can be blamed on the interviewer not setting up his questions correctly. A skilled interviewer would at the very least ask a question that would tie up the interview like, "How do you feel the moon landings effected corn crops in the Pacific Northwest?" or "Why do you think I have been having trouble chewing on the left side of my mouth?" or "When do you think I'm going to die?" My apologies.



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